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. >> questions raised by prominent romney backer ge executive jack welch put the challenger in a tough spot. >> if he agrees with it, where's the evidence? and if he disagrees with it, once of his principle supporters is problematic. >> set to release one more job's report four days before the november election. ktvu channel 2 news. >> more details now. the rate dropped from 8.1% because the number of people who got jobs soared. biggest monthly jump since 2003. 86,000 more jobs were added in july and august. >>> tonight at 10:30 what we found when we asked people about the economy and whether they've seen an improvement. >> on wall street the new jobs report did little to move the stock numbers. the debt crisis in europe or spain or greece are facing challenges continued to loom over investigators today. the dow was up 34 points. >>> filed plans for a $100 million initial public offering. the wireless network equipment maker has not said how many shares it plans to sell. the company's revenue nearly doubled to $93.9 million in the first half of this year. >>> stock closed today near lo
. >> questions raised by prominent romney backer ge executive jack welch put the challenger in a tough spot. >> if he agrees with it, where's the evidence? and if he disagrees with it, once of his principle supporters is problematic. >> set to release one more job's report four days before the november election. ktvu channel 2 news. >> more details now. the rate dropped from 8.1% because the number of people who got jobs soared. biggest monthly jump since 2003. 86,000...
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welch. what does it say about partisanship in the country? >> it says that it starts to rot people's brains. the theory is just -- we need a good name for this. i nominate job nutters. but this really is ridiculous. this is -- first things first, this is good news for the country. and, yes, it benefits the president because it adds to argument. it takes away the argument that unemployment rate's been over 8%. it's a positive sign for the country. and frankly, it gives the president a boost in the wake of a terrible debate performance. but bottom line, it's a sign that the trend is moving away from the debt sweep we've dealt with. >> let me pick up on that. some democrats are saying what debate? how much of a boost does it really give the president, given the lackluster nature of his performance the other night? >> it doesn't give the president a do-over. he had a lousily first debate. that hurts. it's not determinative. the economy's issue number one. this is a boost. it helps change the top
welch. what does it say about partisanship in the country? >> it says that it starts to rot people's brains. the theory is just -- we need a good name for this. i nominate job nutters. but this really is ridiculous. this is -- first things first, this is good news for the country. and, yes, it benefits the president because it adds to argument. it takes away the argument that unemployment rate's been over 8%. it's a positive sign for the country. and frankly, it gives the president a...
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even jack welch, the former ceo of ge, went on twitter to accuse the president of changing the numbers. >> i tell you, these numbers don't smell right when you think about where the economy is right now. >> reporter: the labor department called the allegations ludicrous. we went directly to the place where it's all done. this vast government building, a couple of miles from the white house, houses the labor department's bureau of labor statistics. the bls has been tabulating the monthly unemployment rate for more than 70 years. it's all based on a survey conducted in person and over the phone of 60,000 households every month. and here is where the numbers get crunched. amid a sea of high-walled cubicles, inside of each one, an economist sworn to secrecy and working on a specific aspect of that employment survey. tom nardone is in charge here. he's worked at bls since before ronald reagan was president. he introduced us to the economist who actually wrote this morning's unemployment rate announcement. how much of a secret is that number before you put it out? i mean, you can't call me u
even jack welch, the former ceo of ge, went on twitter to accuse the president of changing the numbers. >> i tell you, these numbers don't smell right when you think about where the economy is right now. >> reporter: the labor department called the allegations ludicrous. we went directly to the place where it's all done. this vast government building, a couple of miles from the white house, houses the labor department's bureau of labor statistics. the bls has been tabulating the...
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because all of the fuss over the 7.8% unemployment number last friday and jack welch having a fit and conspiracy theorists everywhere, part of ishat apngth emy oyarrit . lngatplns part-time hiring, so people can avoid, employers can avoid benefits where it is, ultimately, by 2014 obama obamacare or whether it is now prodingny k o sue, kf bfi en1( isyn: is in the new normal? even if obamacare never happens, is this now how employers are going to treat employees? >> i think it depends on the choices made, frankly, on nomber 6th. itshe new nodee yee'oldfo f tiso you want, that choice is pretty clear. if it isn't, it's time to think about new directis. l. alisyn: lou dobbs, great to see you. thanks so much. >>> a major warning for american motoris, eangethatou ur ie r. 'rveh sex en hdies smabyoei urtoll th whe erunsmsh. they have carb steady, with carbs that dist slowly to help minimize blood sugar spikes. [ male announcer ] glucerna hunger smart. a smart way to help manage hunger and diabetes.
because all of the fuss over the 7.8% unemployment number last friday and jack welch having a fit and conspiracy theorists everywhere, part of ishat apngth emy oyarrit . lngatplns part-time hiring, so people can avoid, employers can avoid benefits where it is, ultimately, by 2014 obama obamacare or whether it is now prodingny k o sue, kf bfi en1( isyn: is in the new normal? even if obamacare never happens, is this now how employers are going to treat employees? >> i think it depends on...
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:lou: what you do not want to do is pull a jack welch. he decided that this was a conspiracy of the chicago political thugs that run the country. megyn: unbelievable jobs numbers, these chicago guys will do anything. by the way, we have jack welch to explain that later on. :lou: that's exactly what you don't want to do. these numbers over the course of time, you should always be skeptical of those numbers. we should always be skeptical of anything government does. economic reporting is an inexact art and not always in science be one can i just ask your question? :lou: yes. megyn: unemployment is still very high. how are the american people doing? :lou: a sophisticated number, if you will, buried within the labor of statistics is the broadest measure of unemployment that is in the workforce, discouraged workers. that remains where it was last month, 14.9%. it is a sign that we are absolutely stuck where we have been. and that is a sincere shame. that means 23 million people remain in great pain and they are suffering as a result of an econ
:lou: what you do not want to do is pull a jack welch. he decided that this was a conspiracy of the chicago political thugs that run the country. megyn: unbelievable jobs numbers, these chicago guys will do anything. by the way, we have jack welch to explain that later on. :lou: that's exactly what you don't want to do. these numbers over the course of time, you should always be skeptical of those numbers. we should always be skeptical of anything government does. economic reporting is an...
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because all of the fuss over the 7.8% unemployment number last friday and jack welch having a fit and conspiracy theorists everywhere, part of it is what is happening in this economy. employers are hiring part time. we are looking at explosions in part-time hiring, so people can avoid, employers can avoid benefits where it is, ultimately, by 2014 obama obamacare or whether it is now in providing any kind of insurance, any kind of benefit, even 401(k)s. alisyn: is in the new normal? even if obamacare never happens, is this now how employers are going to treat employees? >> i think it depends on the choices made, frankly, on november 6th. it is the new normal under the policies we've followed for four years. if this is the new normal you want, that choice is pretty clear. if it isn't, it's time to think about new directions. l. alisyn: lou dobbs, great to see you. thanks so much. >>> a major warning for american motorists, the danger that could be lurking inside your car. we're live with that story next. when you have diabetes... your doctor will say get smart about your weight. that's
because all of the fuss over the 7.8% unemployment number last friday and jack welch having a fit and conspiracy theorists everywhere, part of it is what is happening in this economy. employers are hiring part time. we are looking at explosions in part-time hiring, so people can avoid, employers can avoid benefits where it is, ultimately, by 2014 obama obamacare or whether it is now in providing any kind of insurance, any kind of benefit, even 401(k)s. alisyn: is in the new normal? even if...
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former chairman jack welch is skeptical. meaning that employers added a modest 114,000 jobs and the drop comes at a critical time for the president who is coming off a weak debate performance with romney. joining us is new york times best selling author out with the latest book. ann coulter. at this point in time the president said we will be at 5.6 and enjoying that part of the economy and a more comfortable position and now they are running with this new number. what is your response. >> it is noticeable that a lot of economist are saying this is not possible. you would need more than 114,000 jobbings. i don't think it matters except to broadcasting tv shows or writing for newspaper what number they throw up on the screen. people know they are out of work and in jobs and they are way overqualified for and working part-time. so many people are going out of business and under working now. 23 million unemployed difference does it make? >> the numbers simply write away the 211,000,000 people stopping to look for people. >> oh,
former chairman jack welch is skeptical. meaning that employers added a modest 114,000 jobs and the drop comes at a critical time for the president who is coming off a weak debate performance with romney. joining us is new york times best selling author out with the latest book. ann coulter. at this point in time the president said we will be at 5.6 and enjoying that part of the economy and a more comfortable position and now they are running with this new number. what is your response....
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jack welch, he went to as far to suggest that the numbers may be manipulated by the obama administration. do you think that the numbers add up? >> i think the suggestion that the numbers was cooked is relatively ridiculous. that being said. economists at the labor department will admit freely that there is a lot of margin of error in these numbers. a month after each job report these numbers are revised upward or downward. the question of the number came out of the household survey, 800,000 plus number, there is a lot of margin for error, possibly as much as 400,000. that is admitted by folks within the labor department, as well. i think you can't get too hung up on the overall numbers because typically these are revised upward or downward. that tends to happen a month later when we stop paying attention. >> heather: what will the numbers do in terms of swaying voters' opinions, specifically undecided voter? do you expect to see a change in the polls as a result of this? >> it's a tough question. i generally think the jobs reports do not move as much of opinion of voting public with the
jack welch, he went to as far to suggest that the numbers may be manipulated by the obama administration. do you think that the numbers add up? >> i think the suggestion that the numbers was cooked is relatively ridiculous. that being said. economists at the labor department will admit freely that there is a lot of margin of error in these numbers. a month after each job report these numbers are revised upward or downward. the question of the number came out of the household survey,...
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. >> former white house press secretary robert gibbs today also touched on the jack welch tweet. >> you wonder why institutions in this country are the perception of institutions in the country are failing because people go on tv and make stuff up. ask for the evidence and he said he had none. >> we continue to make progress. 31 consecutive months of private sector job growth. certainly we are not where we want to be. >> many analysts who combed through the unemployment data released attribute the decline to a big increase in part-time work. people looking for full-time jobs unable to find them and they are settling for part-time jobs. there were some 582,000 new part-time jobs created last month. the bureau of labor statistics categorizes the number as "part time for economic reasons." not exactly a vote of confidence in the state of the economy, shannon. >> shannon: all right, doug. a lot more on the numbers. we will break them down later with ben stein, well known economist and author and humorist as well. we might need a little bit of that. thank you, doug. is the lower unemployment
. >> former white house press secretary robert gibbs today also touched on the jack welch tweet. >> you wonder why institutions in this country are the perception of institutions in the country are failing because people go on tv and make stuff up. ask for the evidence and he said he had none. >> we continue to make progress. 31 consecutive months of private sector job growth. certainly we are not where we want to be. >> many analysts who combed through the unemployment...
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doug we talked about a tweet from jack welch. did that ignite the controversy? >>reporter: the recovery surrounding friday's release of the unemployment numbers continues to swirl after jack welch, the respected former c.e.o. of g.e. treated "unbelievable jobs numbers. the chicago guys will do anything. can't debate? change numbers." facing criticism if the tweet he stuck by the criticism of the numbers. >> this number is made up of a whole mess of assumptions: who is participating, who is not working, who is trying for work, who has dropped out. it just begs the question. i think there ought to be a good discussion how this number is calculated. >>reporter: most analysts and the obama campaign are dismanage the criticisms as "without evidence." >> we wonder why institutions in this country are, the perception of institutions are failing, because people go on tv and make sufficient h stuff -- make stuff up. >> they had full charge of the first two years and the policies this president put into place actually made it worse, including the fact that obamacare is ta
doug we talked about a tweet from jack welch. did that ignite the controversy? >>reporter: the recovery surrounding friday's release of the unemployment numbers continues to swirl after jack welch, the respected former c.e.o. of g.e. treated "unbelievable jobs numbers. the chicago guys will do anything. can't debate? change numbers." facing criticism if the tweet he stuck by the criticism of the numbers. >> this number is made up of a whole mess of assumptions: who is...
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jack welch tweeted this moments ago. unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything, can't debate so change numbers end quote. martha: hilda so liz says that that notion is lewd today rust. joined by chris wallace anchor of fox news sunday . good morning, chris. >> good to be with you. martha: what do you make about the backlash for this 7.8 number? >> it's understandable, because it's good news for president obama at a time when he very much needed it. the fact is that he had a bad debate, that his campaign was raoeulgs a reeling, is an overstatement but hit a serious pothole. and the talking point, which is that the unemployment rate under this president has been over 8% for 48 months, they can't say that any more. and obviously some romney supporters aren't happy about that. martha: whenever you look at the economic numbers i always wonder. obviously as you point out the president's detractors will try to mine mice the number and the president will build it up. it's down to everyone's individual economic reality. if it's true th
jack welch tweeted this moments ago. unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything, can't debate so change numbers end quote. martha: hilda so liz says that that notion is lewd today rust. joined by chris wallace anchor of fox news sunday . good morning, chris. >> good to be with you. martha: what do you make about the backlash for this 7.8 number? >> it's understandable, because it's good news for president obama at a time when he very much needed it. the fact is...
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. >> christy, some of the attacks from conservatives, such as jack welch, saying they don't believe the numbers. they believe the books are cooked essentially. explain the process of how we reach these numbers today? >> there's spin, and then there are conspiracy theories, and the spin, which is valid, if spin can be valid, is that, you know, look, you still have only 114,000 jobs created on balance. that's -- you know, you immediate on see more than that at this stage of a recovery, but let me be very clear here. these are two different reports that they put together. right? one of them is a survey of people at home where you call them up and say are you working and the people say yes or no and explain how. the other is a survey of employers where they ask are you hiring? that's where the 114,000 number comes from, so that 114,000 number might not catch everyone who is working part-time from home or just working part-time or doing some kinds of contract work, so that's why sometimes there's a discrepancy between the two. no, they're not in the basement of bls cooking the books for some
. >> christy, some of the attacks from conservatives, such as jack welch, saying they don't believe the numbers. they believe the books are cooked essentially. explain the process of how we reach these numbers today? >> there's spin, and then there are conspiracy theories, and the spin, which is valid, if spin can be valid, is that, you know, look, you still have only 114,000 jobs created on balance. that's -- you know, you immediate on see more than that at this stage of a...
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jack welch, conservative guy, came out and said unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. is there any reason for any of us to believe that these numbers might be wrong or cooked or -- >> well, it's a good question. first of all, the most important number is going to be the one that comes out 30 days from now. remember we have one more unemployment rate, unemployment picture that comes out the friday before the election. so that will obviously be the most important one in terms of the outcomes of who wins this election. but, yeah, this was generally a pretty good number. i want to go back to that point. we still have this wide diversion in these two reports in terms of where the employment picture is. one other statistic, if i may, that's not so rosie is when we look at the broad rate of unemployment, which includes people who can't find a full-time job and we include people who have dropped out of the labor force because they've just become discouraged, that number is still 14.7%. that's still a very high number and very economically t
jack welch, conservative guy, came out and said unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. is there any reason for any of us to believe that these numbers might be wrong or cooked or -- >> well, it's a good question. first of all, the most important number is going to be the one that comes out 30 days from now. remember we have one more unemployment rate, unemployment picture that comes out the friday before the election. so that will obviously be the most important...
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welch, jack welch needs to be out there helping the country get back on track. there are ceos and all sorts of people, re-tweeting what he has said. i think there are questions to be asked about the methods, pay take pla -- attention to the survey, the hours worked, that is what touches people. to say something like this is like donald trump, saying that president obama is not a citizen, without any proof. you are jack welch, take this opportunity while people are listening to you, i'm taking the tweet back, i exaggerated, there are problems, that is like asking the governor, how often do you beat your wife? >> i should have had the question mark on the back of it. let's face it, the fact is, we had 25 economists polled before this number came out. the average number they expected was about 115,000. not one of them did have a number below 8.1. >> all right, jack welch there, and the next number is due out in just four days before the election. >>> all right, would you believe that a 220 pound teacher is suing, because he said a 60 pound student beat him up. our
welch, jack welch needs to be out there helping the country get back on track. there are ceos and all sorts of people, re-tweeting what he has said. i think there are questions to be asked about the methods, pay take pla -- attention to the survey, the hours worked, that is what touches people. to say something like this is like donald trump, saying that president obama is not a citizen, without any proof. you are jack welch, take this opportunity while people are listening to you, i'm taking...
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you are jack welch. you got to take this opportunity while everybody is listening to you to actually say yes, anderson, i'm taking that tweet back. i'm going to accepted a new tweet to say i was exaggerating. there are problems, maybe bls should look into it, but the actually throw out an accusation, that's like asking the government how often do you beat your wife? >> i should have had a question mark, at the back of it. let's face it. but the facts are no matter how you want to look at this, we had 25 economists polled before this number came out. the average number they expected was about 115,000. >> yes. >> not one of them had a number below 8.1. >>> tomorrow, three suspected terrorists are expected to make their first court appearance in new york. they were extradited from britain overnight after a legal battle that lasted more than ten years. one suspect has a hook for a hand and has called osama bin laden a hero. the radical cler iic is wanted r several crimes commit against the united nations the
you are jack welch. you got to take this opportunity while everybody is listening to you to actually say yes, anderson, i'm taking that tweet back. i'm going to accepted a new tweet to say i was exaggerating. there are problems, maybe bls should look into it, but the actually throw out an accusation, that's like asking the government how often do you beat your wife? >> i should have had a question mark, at the back of it. let's face it. but the facts are no matter how you want to look at...
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you are jack welch. jack, you have to take this opportunity while everybody is listening to you to actually, say, yes, anderson, i am taking that tweet back and send a new tweet to say, i was exaggerating. there are problems bls should look into it, but throw out an accusation, that is like asking the government -- >> look at this. we had 25 economists polled before this number came out. the average number they expected was about 115,000. not one of them had a number below 8.1. >> the bureau of labor statistics, which determines the unemployment number is a nonpolitical and independent agency, by the way. >>> hundreds, if not thousands of convicted criminals could go free, all because of this chemist. the outrageous allegations about a massachusetts drug lab. >> i'm dr. sanjay gupta. meet jennifer, founder of code for america. it's kind of a peace corps for geeks. >> most people have seen that geek s have whicchanged the wor much in the past 10, 20 years, they haven't changed government yet. we get peopl
you are jack welch. jack, you have to take this opportunity while everybody is listening to you to actually, say, yes, anderson, i am taking that tweet back and send a new tweet to say, i was exaggerating. there are problems bls should look into it, but throw out an accusation, that is like asking the government -- >> look at this. we had 25 economists polled before this number came out. the average number they expected was about 115,000. not one of them had a number below 8.1. >>...
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you are jack welch. jack, you've got to take this opportunity while everybody is listening to you to actually say, yes, anderson, i'm taking that tweet back. i'm going to send a new tweet to say i was exaggerating. there are problems bls should look into but to throw out an accusation that's like asking the government how often do you beat your wife. >> i should have had a question mark at the back of it, ali, let's face it, but the facts, are ali, no matter how you want to look at this, we had 25 economists polled before this number came out. the average number they expected was about 115,000. not one of them -- >> yes. >> had a number below 1.1. >> labor secretary hilda so li s shot back at the critics telling cnn it was insulting for people to suggest her department was manipulating numbers for the president's benefit. >>> the obama and romney campaigns are ratcheting up the rhetoric in the wake of the jobs report. our political editor paul steinhauser hats candidate's comments. one set of numbers, tw
you are jack welch. jack, you've got to take this opportunity while everybody is listening to you to actually say, yes, anderson, i'm taking that tweet back. i'm going to send a new tweet to say i was exaggerating. there are problems bls should look into but to throw out an accusation that's like asking the government how often do you beat your wife. >> i should have had a question mark at the back of it, ali, let's face it, but the facts, are ali, no matter how you want to look at this,...
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jack welch out at "fortune." starbucks battles mom and pop store starbarks. your early morning celebrity headlines straight ahead. you're watching "early today." >>> i'm lynn berry. right now a strange story involving a boston man arrested at lax during a stop on a flight home from japan. i.c.e. agents say he was wearing a bullet proof vest, flame retardant pants, and carrying a smoke bomb in his luggage. and that's not all. this is just some of what else they allegedly found in his baggage. believe it or not, agents do not think he is a terrorist. an investigation continues. >>> well, this morning the government will issue a warning that thousands of airbags replaced over the last three years could be dangerous counterfeits. you will be able to learn f your model is at risk. just go to safercars.gov. >>> newly released images show what police hope will be a better view of a 10-year-old colorado girl missing since friday. jessica ridgeway was last seen walking to school with her classmates. right there you can see vigils were held for her last night. >>> well
jack welch out at "fortune." starbucks battles mom and pop store starbarks. your early morning celebrity headlines straight ahead. you're watching "early today." >>> i'm lynn berry. right now a strange story involving a boston man arrested at lax during a stop on a flight home from japan. i.c.e. agents say he was wearing a bullet proof vest, flame retardant pants, and carrying a smoke bomb in his luggage. and that's not all. this is just some of what else they...
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. >>> well, jack welch. the former head of general electric, a partial partner to this network, will no longer contribute to reuters. the tweet suggested the white house manipulated jobs numbers for political gain. >>> a doggy day care outside of chicago has stepped in it so to speak with the nation's biggest coffee chain. starbucks is asking star barks to change its name and logo to avoid any customer confusion. >>> a new study out of denmark finds that the more expensive running shoes do not prevent injuries or make you run faster. >>> and it's that time of year again. the nieman marcus 2012 christmas catalog is out and it is complete with all the outlandish gifts like his and her diamond studded watches for a cool $1.1 million. bill, that's our christmas gift to each other. >>> coming up, san francisco stays alive, a bountygate update and the space jump will have to wait. >>> plus, the athletics steal game three from the tigers. your sports headlines are straight ahead. >>> i thought my gift to lynn was a
. >>> well, jack welch. the former head of general electric, a partial partner to this network, will no longer contribute to reuters. the tweet suggested the white house manipulated jobs numbers for political gain. >>> a doggy day care outside of chicago has stepped in it so to speak with the nation's biggest coffee chain. starbucks is asking star barks to change its name and logo to avoid any customer confusion. >>> a new study out of denmark finds that the more...
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et cetera talk about jack welch still stirring the pot on this. almost all bona fide economists, many who have advised both, you know, presidents of both parties have said there was a statistically anomaly showing the unemployment rate fell but only 114,000 jobs were created and anomalies after when you look at a long series of data. jack welch, the 7.8% unemployment figure released by the bureau of labor statistics last week is down right implausible. this is a tweet, unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so change numbers. >> let's be clear. when people were really most upset about is jack welch directly saying that somehow the obama campaign twisted the numbers. >> right. and, look, you can talk about how debt are collected, you can talk about statistically anomalies, about the fact that the recovery has been subpar. that's what jack welch is saying he's right about, the recovery has been supposed par. everyone was having that real conversation. but to say that someone directly changed the numbers because
et cetera talk about jack welch still stirring the pot on this. almost all bona fide economists, many who have advised both, you know, presidents of both parties have said there was a statistically anomaly showing the unemployment rate fell but only 114,000 jobs were created and anomalies after when you look at a long series of data. jack welch, the 7.8% unemployment figure released by the bureau of labor statistics last week is down right implausible. this is a tweet, unbelievable jobs...
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do you stand by this comment from jack welch? do you think that the white house cooked the numbers in the jobs report? >> well look, we're just going to talk about the facts. there's 23 million americans who are unemployed. they're either looking for a job, they are giving up or underemployed. if we just look at the numbers and take that for what it's worth, and i don't know that we have to say much more about whether the numbers have been cooked or not. >> the numbers are also 7.8% unemployment the lowest since president obama was inaugurated, correct? >> well, let's take a look at those numbers and take a little deeper look and say, for those who are not looking for a job any longer, they're not in the work place. they're not in the work participation. if you were to add those to those numbers, we'd have about 11% unemployment. look, one month of these numbers -- >> that includes people who are retired, correct? >> but let's look at those numbers a little closer again, we're looking at 43 state months of unemployment above 8%.
do you stand by this comment from jack welch? do you think that the white house cooked the numbers in the jobs report? >> well look, we're just going to talk about the facts. there's 23 million americans who are unemployed. they're either looking for a job, they are giving up or underemployed. if we just look at the numbers and take that for what it's worth, and i don't know that we have to say much more about whether the numbers have been cooked or not. >> the numbers are also 7.8%...
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welch. >> welch is one of america's most rebe inspected former ceo's. so when he tweets, people tend to listen. within minutes of the jobs report he tweeted quote, unbelievable jobs numbers. this chicago guys will do anything, can't debate so change numbers and facing a torrent of criticism for that. welch stopped by his tweet and those numbers. >> this whole number is made up of a whole mess of an assumptions who is participating and who is not working and who is trying to work, but dropped out. all of these things, it just raises the question, oh, i think there ought to be a good discussion about how this number is calculated. >> and most analysts aren't dismissing his crimsism as utterly without evidence and at the same time pointing out that the jobs numbers reflect an obama policy that has the economy stuck in neutral. >> they had full charge of the first two years and the policies that this president put into place actually made it worse, including the fact that obamacare is actually, you ask small employers, it's causing them not to hire because
welch. >> welch is one of america's most rebe inspected former ceo's. so when he tweets, people tend to listen. within minutes of the jobs report he tweeted quote, unbelievable jobs numbers. this chicago guys will do anything, can't debate so change numbers and facing a torrent of criticism for that. welch stopped by his tweet and those numbers. >> this whole number is made up of a whole mess of an assumptions who is participating and who is not working and who is trying to work,...
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jack welch took a look at these numbers. remember, thereof a surge in employment like we haven't seen in 30 years that was announced on friday. jack welch says, unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything, can't debate, so change numbers. do you think they changed the numbers? >> i do. i do. and i think that they did a lot of those -- a lot of monkey business. i'm telling you n a month and a half from now, they will do a readjustment like has been happening for the last year and a half. they will do a readjustment and the number will be 8.2 or more. again, the 8.2, it's not a real number because people that are out of work aren't considered unemployed. >> steve: we get that. but if you're making the allegation that this administration is monkeying with the numbers to make them look good, that is very damning. >> everyone knows he didn't want to lay off certain workers in certain categories and that's been well documented and well reported that he didn't want to lay off ctain workers in certain categories u
jack welch took a look at these numbers. remember, thereof a surge in employment like we haven't seen in 30 years that was announced on friday. jack welch says, unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything, can't debate, so change numbers. do you think they changed the numbers? >> i do. i do. and i think that they did a lot of those -- a lot of monkey business. i'm telling you n a month and a half from now, they will do a readjustment like has been happening for the last...
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jack welch went further obviously the former ceo of g.e. and he said unbelievable jobs numbers. the these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so they change the numbers. set person who suggested something fishy was going on. >> and of course our own lou dobbs has said no the bureau of labor statistics is insulated entity and peter morris is i on our show a short time ago said no, this isn't the case that they would never cook the books for a white house. that's not something they would do. they are economists and statisticians and there might be anomaly in the numbers. here was jack welch yesterday talking to cavuto and he said something smells funny here, listen. >> these numbers don't smell right when you think about where the economy is right now. every economist this morning predicted roughly 90 to 120,000 and 8.2 unemployment came out very favorably just one tenth of a point below when the president took office. >> well, it's funny when people manipulate numbers back and forth on both sides. i always think about the 23 million people who don't have a job and you guy
jack welch went further obviously the former ceo of g.e. and he said unbelievable jobs numbers. the these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so they change the numbers. set person who suggested something fishy was going on. >> and of course our own lou dobbs has said no the bureau of labor statistics is insulated entity and peter morris is i on our show a short time ago said no, this isn't the case that they would never cook the books for a white house. that's not something they...
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. >> peter: and interesting 7.8% number, economists and jack welch, where did this come from, the raw numbers put out and a disconnect. >> clayton: we have to look the at revised numbers a few months later and maybe find out in december what the true number was or were in september. but we have new numbers out of ohio. the all important battle ground state of ohio where president obama has been leading significantly there. in recent polls, well not significantly, but 5 or 4 points accord to go what karl rove was talking about, 49-50%. and looking at virginia, and there mitt romney has pulled ahead of president obama 49-48% within the mar begin of error, but definitely experiencing a debate bounce. and speaking of which, let's talk about the money they have been able to raise because this plays into how people are feeling after the debate as well. in just the 48 hours since the debate, mitt romney has been able to raise 12 million dollars online and just staggering numbers. >> peter: at the same time, the president announced that they raised 181 million dollars in september, about 1.8
. >> peter: and interesting 7.8% number, economists and jack welch, where did this come from, the raw numbers put out and a disconnect. >> clayton: we have to look the at revised numbers a few months later and maybe find out in december what the true number was or were in september. but we have new numbers out of ohio. the all important battle ground state of ohio where president obama has been leading significantly there. in recent polls, well not significantly, but 5 or 4 points...